The Cyndie Jaynes Collection continues to generate a kaleidescope of images from the early-’80s San Diego underground … This batch features a shot I overlooked from the Tell-Tale Hearts’ performance at Dave Fest 3 as well as a variety of portraits.
Here’s a selection of Cyndie’s photos, followed by a list matching names to these well-loved faces. Note the gaps in the historical record; help us out here!
1. Mike Stax of the Tell-Tale Hearts plays Dave Fest 3
2. Denise and Eric Bacher
3. Sergio of Hair Theatre
4. Paul Hokeness
5. At a Morlocks show in SF
6. Darrin (?)
7. Outside of Murphy’s on Normal St.
8. Zoe and Denise
9. Tom Ward
10. ???
11. Maia Guest
12. Karen Shelver
94 – Joel (?)
Mystery girl is Ted’s old girlfriend Lisa.
Pat
i recognize maia guest , karen shelver (blonde),and joel with amylu in the background in the last photo.
Tony: Did Joel and Amylu have surnames? Their matching red hair typifies the compositional details that make Cyndie’s photos so fab!
I think I know the couple in #5. I think his name is Malcolm but her’s I can’t remember. They lived in Berkeley and were friends with Jill Ruzich who I was going out with at the time. Okay I have to take my nap now. That was a lot of mental exertion
I’ll ask Karen Shelver about Joel’s last name. Amylu goes by Weis now.
Karen had a great Freakout partyin the Spring of 1986, where the Crawdaddy’s and Nashville ramblers played. This was a year before she skedaddled to SF. It was held in Lemon Grove at Eleesa Eno’s house. Ray, Cyndie and a few Che Underground contributors were in attendance.
Okay I’ve got it. Picture #5, her name is Lilly I’m 95% sure of that. Does that sound right Cyndie?
Todd are you talking about picture 5 or 11? Can you identify who accosted you in the dark alley! Picture #5 is Darren Grealish. I don’t think he ever went by Lily. And Jeff never went by Alice.
Waaaaay off the subject, what was up with Bruce Foxton’s mullet? How did he get away with that?
Bruce Foxton was part of the Jam. The Jam were vintage 1979 when the Pretenders, The Cars, Blondie, and lots of others were in full New Wave Mullet overdrive.
I never wore a mullet, but I was a big fan of the Jam. They autographed my helmet once at a concert.
Pat
After Karen came to SF she and I hooked up and lived together for a couple of years. One day I’ll tell you the tale about getting her out of town ’cause of her being scared of her crazy biker boyfriend (after she broke up with me). That was true drama…worthy of a scene in somebody’s movie.
Where is Dirk anyway…shouldn’t he be getting releases from all of us and putting together some kind of film deal based on all of this?
Joel and Amy were part of the package when you were friends with Karen. Nice both of them. I have slides somewhere of a serious B52s beehive on Karen that Joel did. Amy was hooked up with Austin who famously started a small riot at Ski Beach by kicking a cop in the head because the cop was about to hit a lady in front of her kids. I liked Austin.
Karen’s still in SF doing work with AC transit or the Ferry or something.
Pat
Karen dropped by briefly back in March … She said she’s on some sort of global circumnavigation that will return her to San Francisco early in 2009. (Hi, Karen! Send us a digital postcard from … wherever you are!)
Why I’m scandalized! Ah Luvs EVERBUDDY!
…and always have.
Yeah…perkins. So damn many shows there. I think none of us appreciated how freakin cool it was to see so many great acts there.
Pat
Hey Pat you beat me to it. I’m going to mail it to her. I’m sure she will freak out.
OK, I’m going to confess my ignorance and hope I don’t offend the excellent John Murphy: While I remember references to “Murphy’s house” back in the day — spoken of with the same respectful tone as BoboStock — and it certainly seems to merit inclusion in our pantheon of great SD hangouts — I simply can’t remember this rollickin’ pad!
Was Murphy’s house simultaneous with Patrick’s E Street manse? A little earlier, maybe? Help connect the synapses, please!
I was living at the Normal Street pad with Murphy when I was in The Wallflowers (and after that) if that helps.
Matt: Yeah, now I’m piecing it together. That’d be 1985, maybe into ’86 … By that time, I’d sort of pulled back into a tighter North County orbit around the Encinitas Pannikin and the 3 Guys Called Jesus project, resulting in many fewer forays downtown.
Ah, well: You can’t be everywhere at once, although I occasionally tried!
So yeah Matt, #10 Mystery Gal is Lisa AKA muffin head. The gal that I almost married. She got hit by a car on her scooter and was in the hospital, you can see the bandage on her wrist in this photo. Now she is a math prof., and, Internet book seller, living in Texas. She was very smart at math and at one time worked from IBM. She also has a silly grin, and, was a huge smart ass, which is why I fell in love.
>>She got hit by a car on her scooter and was in the hospital, you can see the bandage on her wrist in this photo.
Ted: We have a lot of shots of busted-up youngsters …
>Pat Works, left leg casted after T-boning the ‘guzzi
>Dave Rinck, left leg casted after jumping off a freeway overpass. (“Taste the Fury, Babyface!”)
Coming soon: A Cyndie Jaynes shot of Murphy’s dental work after his and Patrick’s beatdown!
The drummer from the Jam had a worse haircut than Bruce Foxton. A girl I knew in high school saw a magazine I had with their picture in it… she said that if she ever had a son who got his hair cut like that, she’d throw him out of the house. The fact that the girl was black made it even funnier.
Rick Buckler could look a little Zippyish at times. Paul Weller more than made up for it tho’. What an incredibly tight and powerful trio. The rhythm section had everything to do with it. That VHS I referred to earlier is called Trans-Global Express, mostly the later “Gift” era stuff, but a few earlier gems. Anyone seen it?
Hey Matt, actually Darin is #6. Mike Stax is picture #1. So there!!!
He he, can’t argue with that!
Karen should go look up Dave Rinck in Nairobi!!
Yes, Karen reminded me that Joel’s last name was Doering. Amy’s last name at that time was Muirhead.
Tony
I think that shot of Paul Hokenes might have been taken at my pad on Madison Avenue…which was close to John Murphy’s place, as well as Bobby Lane’s dive.
Anyway, I’ve got some good shots of the era, that I’ll bust out soon…
damn, you guys are on it…and I also have a lot of pictures of cool people who I hung out with, yet have no recall of their names!
Are you guys sure that #4 is Paul Hokeness? Looks nothing like him.
Denise and Zoe: adorable as usual. We need to get Zoe on here!
That photo with John Murphy was taken on the stairway of that apartment mentioned as the site of the post TTH-Chesterfield Kings show at the Backdoor in ´85, and many more.
Number 4 is Paul. I took it at Murphy’s place on Normal St -- I think the hat is confusing. I included the photo of the back stairs as they were the site of many scene moments over the years.
ONLY paul would have the nerve to wear that hat.
Anybody else here ever meet his pop? Fantastic guy…which I mostly remember because he thought I was such a fantastic guy.
Evidently he was rather impressed that I smoked Chesterfields.
Somehow I got the impression that Paul spent a lot of time trying kinda hard to impress his dad…which I could appreciate ’cause at the time I didn’t have a dad at all…
Gawd…this is getting too freakin’ freudian. I need coffee.
Pat
Ray
I just went through some old stuff and found some black and white stuff, looked like from a fanzine or newspaper article. Lot’s of 5051 stuff on the same page but there is a picture of you playing drums, it says your name and then from rip in the page I can’t see the band name. You look maybe 14 or 15.
What’s that from?
Mark: Scan it! Scan it!! 🙂
Wish I could edit……….
From the rip in the page………I meant to say.
Don’t hit send before the proof reading.
See above.
Mark -- I have a Be My Friend with a pic of the Hedgehogs and 5051 and other bands. It may have been from that zine. I’ll try to scan that soon. Ray looks very young but Carl Rusk looks even younger.
It could be from be my friend.
I sent all of my goodies to Eric rife who scanned them all. I’m waiting for a disk from him and then I will have all sorts things to contribute.
Hey Tom -- like most of the ‘hanging around’ photos, it was taken at Murphy’s place on Normal St. I got a camera for high school graduation, and sat around taking photos of anyone who showed up. There were two cats there, this one and a black one, but I’m not sure who they actually belonged to.
I can’t picture you without the glasses.
Ha! Cyndie, I read your response aloud to Tom from my Blackberry as he and I sat over Indian food at Curry in a Hurry (28th & Lex in NYC). He’s got handsome glasses, but you can see his eyeballs now. He also sports a very fetching goatee.
That´s Be My Friend, all right, the Hedgehogs. Taken in 1982, the night Mike Stax arrived for the second time from England to play in the Crawddaddys. I had to play drums at the International Blend that night because our drummer, Paul Carsola, had just quit. I played drums with the Crawdaddys a couple of times, but was just godawful. Not even Black Beauties could help.
There´s a group photo of the Hedgehogs in Be My Friend, sitting on a stairway in North Park near Gold´s Gym, but I haven´t been able to find it. I had just started growing out my hair and it looked like a dead animal, as I recall.
Ray, I have that issue. I’ll scan it, sooner or later.
Who remembers the party in Poway (?) where the Hedgehogs played outside? I remember a dirt road and a Eucalyptus grove out in the boonies.
I just scanned Be My Friend #3 with pictures of the Hedgehogs, 5-0-5-1, The Injections, Battalion of Saints getting harassed by a cop, and more.
Be My Friend on Flickr
Thanks, Dean. That´s the one I was talking about.
I tried to embed a fuzzy image of the Hedgehogs from the zine in my comment but it didn’t show. I’m not sure why. Here ’tis again.
I fixed it, Dean, with my trusty Blackberry! (You need to do an “img src” tag, not an “a href.”)
Thanks! Yesterday I used “img src” and nothing showed, so today I tried the other way.
Summer of 1981 from left to right: Paul Carsola, age 17, looking like he’d rather be at home in his basement, wearing a vintage Great War gas mask and “achieving zero visibility” with smoke bombs; me, age 18, naive, untainted and dumb as a rock; the old man of the group, Ron Silva, age 21, and Carl Rusk, age 14, as Merle Haggard would say, “just a child in mama’s arms.” Note that Ron and Carl are perfectly attired for a 90 degree summer day. There’s a great picture of Dave Klowden in the same issue in the 5051 write up.
where is that picture taken?
Is this the Todd Lahman that was Poway’s original Rockabilly Rebel?
Dave Klowden is in two pictures in that Be My Friend. One in the band photo of 5051 and in the other he is sitting down watching Lou Scum singing w/The Injections.
It looks like the picture may have been taken in front of Stern’s Gym on Granada in North Park.
I just found out that great neon sign was recently removed:
Stern’s Gym on Flickr
The sign on Roadside Peek
That picture was definitely taken upstairs next to Stern’s Gym in North Park. Good eye, Dean. That means there were three Be My Friend with the Hedgehogs, two from 1981 (the second one is the one scanned by Toby which has a picture of a party we played in Point Loma) and the third at the International Blend the night Mike Dixson returned to San Diego to rejoin the Crawdaddys. Coincidentally, Brad Wilkins, whose house party was in the magazine, just sent me an email and reminded me that his mom’s house was destroyed that night!
Dean, I remember that Poway party. It was out in the middle of nowhere at some rich kids’ house, and I believe you and James Harrell rode out there. Wasn’t it a Halloween costume party? I don’t have any idea how you used to find out about those parties. We’d get calls from these surfer kids whose parents were out of town and we had no idea who they were or how they had ever heard of us. We’d show up and for free beer and 50 or 100 bucks we’d play for about three hours, sometimes for crowds of hundreds of people. We were taken to some strange places. I saw a lot of neighborhoods in San Diego I never even knew existed that summer.
Speaking of Hedgehog parties, in 1982 we played a party at Kristin Schwartz’s house in Mission Hills outside on a wooden deck, and as usual, all kinds of people showed up from all over. I remember it well because at about two o’clock in the morning, two or three jocks showed up and tried to cause some trouble with “the punkers” in the kitchen. Jerry, Jerry’s brother and Pat were there, and somebody (I think, Jerry) pulled a knife out of one of the drawers and sent them scrambling. One of the jocks was Nathan, a guy who was known as a bully and a snob at Point Loma.
Do kids still have house parties like that anymore? There was a Friday and Saturday afternoon ritual of calling around trying to find out what was going on, and if there was no show, there was always a party at some unknown person’s house somewhere in the county. It was a bonus if a band was playing, even better still if it was a band you liked. It usually didn’t matter, though. That’s how I originally met most of the people on this board.
Wow, Ray! I remember that event well. I was in the kitchen of that house when Chris grabbed a large kitchen knife from a knife rack on the wall and waved it around at the guys who had cornered us in there. It was a completely nonserious gesture but it totally freaked everyone out. Some sort of weird stand off followed which was ended by the SDPD.
Oh to be young again…
Hi Jason--
Yeah that’s the one.
Ha! I remember the knife incident too! Scared the dumb jock I think so it was effective and no blood was spilled. Chris would probably have never used it. How is Chris Turk by the way? He moved to South Dakota, didn’t he?
I can’t remember all the house parties, but I do remember many where the Crawdaddys played in the backyard. One in Point Loma somewhere, two at SDSU (at a frat house perhaps, and one on campus somewhere), one in North Park, and others.
Crashing a party was a favorite activity of mine. One time Larry and Patti and I crashed a party at a fancy La Jolla house that The Unknowns played at. We didn’t know anyone but we helped ourselves to food and booze!
I got to hang with Dean Curtis in Oakland! I love that guy! Always a smile on h is face for me even back in the early 80’s! He was an Ace! Richard Simpow? The City Gents? I know a bunch about Mike Sherman. Dirk Westervelt is in New York. He’s an Avid editor for th emotion picture business. He just finished the film “Journey to the center of the Earth” The first all digital 3D flick. He did movies with Marlon Brando and even Ice Cube. Dirk is on fire. Whatever happened to Tabitha or Simon Pat?
I have ZERO pictures (I actually have 2) from them days. I lost them all along my path. If ANYBODY has pictures of me from those days hook a brother up. I feel like it’s a lost era but I still have those blue prints instilled in me deeply. I’m still into clothes and the music forever. I’ve lived in LA since the year 2000 but I’m now living back in San DIego temporarely so if anybody wants to get together and have a real cool time let me know. My regular myspace page is:
http://www.myspace.com/baaadman
My work/art website is: http://www.darrengrealish.net
Matt Johnson…WHERE ARE YOU?
>>Matt Johnson…WHERE ARE YOU?
Darren: Did you mean that in the Ram Dass sense of Be Here Now? 🙂
‘Cause Matt’s all over this site like a feral wolverine on rancid veal … Here’s his MySpace page, too, which is proudly displayed on our blogroll.
Yeah I do see him on here but I haven’t seen his mug in years. I meant “Matt, where are you man”. I’d love to hang out one day with him and catch up. We used to always mess with each other. The level of sarcasm with our whole crew was legendary! When we’d zero in on one person like at Presidio Park they’d get torn apart but in a loving sort of way! Hahaha! It sucked if it was you that was the butt of the jokes that night. I think most of us had their turn!
I remember I used to get a few tiny zits on my chin back then and Paul Hokeness and Matt Johnson would mess with me and say “Nice Straberry patch” or “Dude, those are hideous”!!!!
Hahahahaha!
Matt, on the Blog Roll can you change my link to go to my regular Myspace page? I no longer play with that band. I’d dig it if people went to:
http://www.myspace.com/baaadman
Cheers,
If you have a chance. Thanks man!
Darren: Your blogroll entry is updated. Any recent arrivals want to add their names to the list?
I’ve been revisiting some old posts. Trying to remember names of people in some of these pics.
1. Is that Tony Sanchez in the striped shirt behind Bill? Tony is the best 60s DJ in the world now! In my humble opinion anyway, but many folks around the world would agree! I don’t know who is right behind Tony but I think that’s Robyn Wexler behind that person.
2. I was visiting San Diego a couple years ago and went into the Lamplighter Bar for an afternoon drink, when who should pop in? Denise and Eric! What a great surprise. They saw me walking into the bar while driving down the street. I love the fact that they are still in love!
6. A few years ago I went to see a band in San Francisco at the once-awesome club Thee Parkside (gone downhill since the show bookers quit). The band was called Featherwood Junction, and there was Leighton and Darren in the band! I hadn’t seen them for something like 15 years. The band was great Stooges-style hard rock but they never came back to they bay area, because soon after Leighton formed the new Morlocks, who are an amazing band. Don’t be a snob -- go see them with an open mind. The way I approach them is as if I never saw the original Morlocks, and in that case they are one of the best bands around. I don’t think they want to, or would ever try to, be like the original.
Besides being a rocker, Darren is an awesomely talented poster artist, a very funny guy, a sharp dresser, and still quite the ladies man!
8. Zoe (or is it Zowie?) is such a fascinating gal. She was wearing vintage 1950s clothes before most girls and didn’t try to look exclusively mod but had her own style. It may have been the influence of her being raised by her Mother, who was an artist. Does anyone remember the loft they lived in downtown (in the gaslamp quater before there was a gaslamp quarter), and the fun parties they had? Especially the Halloween parties. And I recall visiting Zoe at Pannakin coffee downtown. Who else worked at Pannakin? I vaguely remember that it was the hangout before Quel Fromage and Gelato Vero. I was so happy to see Zoe doing well (and looking fabulous!) in LA in recent years.
9. Tom is one of the kindest, most sensitive souls I have ever known so this picture captures him perfectly! And he is such an amazing guitarist. Oh, and a swell dancer! I miss you Tom. I wish we had spent more time together last year when I was in town for Cavestomp.
10. I don’t recognize this person, but I am wondering what that bandage on her wrist (with perhaps a bit of blood on it) is from!
Thank you Cyndie for posting these priceless pictures!